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SC Default Skin has Porn-Cam Ad - NOT Cool

Postby Soniclight » Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:43 am

Hello,

I like the video options and effects part of this software (I have v. 5.4.4). HOWEVER...

The interface shown at your product website shows only the SplitCam logo on all interfaces which is OK. But once installed, there is the constant MyFreeCams.com ad -- which is primarily used for girls to make pay-for porn videos. This is not only deceptive but un-classy and uncool.

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Your Help files say that one can choose skins -- which one posting somewhere said was the only way to remove the ad/s since they are tied into the "Default" skin. There is no other kind of skin.* Again, deceptive.

(* I don't have the time to go out and spend days creating a skin with some image hacking software. I just want to be able to video chat.)

In short, WYSIWYG at your site doesn't seem to apply with your program once it is installed. Again, I do like the program's functionality. I just don't appreciate the aspects mentioned above.

Your courtesy in addressing this matter and offering a solution would be much appreciated.
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Re: SC Default Skin has Porn-Cam Ad - NOT Cool

Postby Fortra » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:10 am

Soniclight wrote:Hello,

I like the video options and effects part of this software (I have v. 5.4.4). HOWEVER...

The interface shown at your product website shows only the SplitCam logo on all interfaces which is OK. But once installed, there is the constant MyFreeCams.com ad -- which is primarily used for girls to make pay-for porn videos. This is not only deceptive but un-classy and uncool.

Your Help files say that one can choose skins -- which one posting somewhere said was the only way to remove the ad/s since they are tied into the "Default" skin. There is no other kind of skin.* Again, deceptive.

(* I don't have the time to go out and spend days creating a skin with some image hacking software. I just want to be able to video chat.)

In short, WYSIWYG at your site doesn't seem to apply with your program once it is installed. Again, I do like the program's functionality. I just don't appreciate the aspects mentioned above.

Your courtesy in addressing this matter and offering a solution would be much appreciated.


Hi there!

Firstly, how else is a free program going to subsidize itself without some kind of backing.

Secondly, none of that above AD "wording" doesn't actually say anything of a porn nature. Example My Model Webcam, Model Car, Model Mobile Phone, Model Hi-Fi System, Model TV, etc. Nothing get's streamed within whatever you've loaded as in your webcam/video/desktop selected as your source to stream.


Thirdly, The skin's issue, well since this program is still being developed and being worked on still and it takes time.

And furthermore you can always minimize the interface, or move it slightly off the screen working area, if your streaming your desktop. However, there is nothing preventing you from chatting in any case, like the name (Splitcam) itself suggest it's just a program, that is FREE!
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Re: SC Default Skin has Porn-Cam Ad - NOT Cool

Postby Soniclight » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:08 pm

"Firstly, how else is a free program going to subsidize itself without some kind of backing."

----- I've used freeware since the late 1990s so I'm well aware of this. But most companies don't scream the ad part as this one does -- most are more or less banners that are at the bottom or top of the interface. NOT almost a 1/3 of the GUI real estate.

"Secondly, none of that above AD "wording" doesn't actually say anything of a porn nature. Example My Model Webcam, Model Car, Model Mobile Phone, Model Hi-Fi System, Model TV, etc. Nothing get's streamed within whatever you've loaded as in your webcam/video/desktop selected as your source to stream."

------ I've worked in the graphics and promotion business -- terms like "Model" is just a rather unimaginative, sneaky euphemisms. I'm part of a photographer and model network -- I know what actual professional models do and don't do. But all that aside, once one clicks through, its so OBVIOUSLY primarily porn-centered webcams.

Not only that, it may be legally iffy: porn portal encouragement by proxy. Not a good move for a new company if it wants to go mainstream--remember that the elderly to kids use video chat these days.

In short, both the users and the company deserve far better sponsors. It's a promising program - keep it classy or at least clean.


"Thirdly, The skin's issue, well since this program is still being developed and being worked on still and it takes time."

------ Fair enough. But then take that option out of Options and Help. Right now, it's just not a truthful statement for there are no other skins. Period.

"And furthermore you can always minimize the interface, or move it slightly off the screen working area, if your streaming your desktop. However, there is nothing preventing you from chatting in any case, like the name (Splitcam) itself suggest it's just a program, that is FREE!"

------ I've pretty much responded to this in the above already. As to the minimize part, yes, if used as essentially a driver bridge to another chat modality. But then what's the point of having a video window in SplitCam at all? It's meant to be used too -- look at the slew of screenshots of it at the SplitCam's website.
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Re: SC Default Skin has Porn-Cam Ad - NOT Cool

Postby SPLITCAM SUPPORT » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:16 pm

Firstly I want to remind you that our program is free.

We make our software since 2003 and have comparatively stable business model and I should to say that this ad is the only profit source that allows us continue develop SplitCam, make new features and compatibilities with different operating systems, video hardware and other programs. This advertising format and this exact ad are the only solution for us at the moment.

Majority of free or partially free services and programs are showing ads to their users, of course users dislike this however continue to use these services and programs because of their features and value.

Soniclight what do you think if you’ll write to Google or to Yahoo that the ads they show in search results in Gmail and in Yahoo Messenger are not acceptable for you, will they remove ads?

According the adult industry. We made maximal efforts to limit its influence on part of our users that are not target group of this ad: we use only text ad format (no images with nude bodies or other usual aggressive adult industry formats).

And one more thing. Nowadays internet contains tons of adult content. If you do not want to see it on your computer or if you want to protect some other persons from it please use specialized solution like child protection content blockers or site advisers. By the way in case with SplitCam, if the ad is totally not acceptable for you please block it with your firewall settings or IE filter. Only one record in your firewall or IE filter and you’ll never see this ads again.

About default skin -your right and can you give me the link, were you found it , we need to remove it because this information for old skin version 4.x , in 5.x version, in this time we can't add another skin to program , but we will promise you we try to add it in next future.

We very seriously read your post and think about resolving this issue. Thank you for using our program.
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Re: SC Default Skin has Porn-Cam Ad - NOT Cool

Postby Soniclight » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:24 pm

SplitCam Support,

Thank you for response. I understand and agree with some of your premises, and just to be clear, I am not a prude or some anti-sex person -- in fact, I do artistic nude work. But again, there is a difference between the porn industry and art (but that's a whole other OT subject - lol).

As to your bringing up Google and any other search engines or platforms that have unwanted -- and may I add, sometimes even scam -- clients, that kind of ad revenue is a whole different thing:

--- They are intricate algorithms with thousands if not millions of pages and hierarchies of placement due to the types of accounts and how much they cost, etc. Trying to control that is like trying to nail Jello to a wall. Scams and sleaze is going to seep through, though IMO Google et al could do a better job.

On the other hand, in-app advertising is usually only ONE and often the only sponsoring account. That is very easy to manage.

Going back to what I wrote before and your response about the adult industry, it just seems like such a poor choice to even choose something that hints at that industry as sole sponsor.

One can camouflage this with "Model" or whatever in-app, but at some point, users are going to click through if just out of curiosity and then it will become abundantly obvious: images of cute almost naked girls are a giveaway.

Now, from a strictly marketing point of view, those girls would be a prime market for you and indeed, the adult/porn industry is probably one of the most lucrative and has been ever since the Net went commercial back in the days when I first started going online (when Google was still just a nerdy new-kid-on-the-block Stanford University project).

But what is more important to SplitCam - a slightly sleazy niche income or long-range respect in the mainstream user and general multimedia industry?

You can always go and target the cam-girls and adult market separately -- without essentially polluting the image of the whole software.

SplitCam's website has a nice mainstream hip to family-friendly vibe to it. My suggestion is that you keep it that way and find an other sponsor to stay in integrity with that image and presence.
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I realize and own that my overall critique of all of this is rather stern and nuts-and-bolts.

But in one sense, I'm being a sort of devil's advocate as a COO or CEO considering the ramifications and impact of certain choices of revenue and how they could impact the dignity or image of a product brand.

All that said, in the end, SplitCam is your baby and it's your choice on how you choose to raise it :o)
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Re: SC Default Skin has Porn-Cam Ad - NOT Cool

Postby traviso » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:21 pm

I know this post is old but all the same I must reply

I installed splitcam, an ADVERTISING supported program, because of a specific intermittent issue experienced with another splitter and a specific webcam model.

Splitcam, not freeware, works correctly with regard to this specific issue.

My first impressions of splitcam vs. another splitter are that splitcam works better with regard to this one issue, but otherwise has about the same functional feature set. My next impression is that splitcam UI is a bit kludgy, amateurish if you will, and has some problems. At this point I can deal with a not quite perfect UI. Its not as smooth and classy as I'd like but thats ok.

Something happenned... I see ads such as

Dear Model,
If your other window is NOT MyFreeCams ...then you are losing money and wasting your time.

Click here to find out why MyFreeCams is the BEST webcam site for models and studios!

How can a site called... MyFreeCams ...pay the MOST money to models and studios???

Click here to learn why MyFreeCams is the best and largest adult webcam community!

THANK YOU to all the models at MyFreeCams for making it the #1 live webcam site!


This left me wondering who exactly is splitcam, what is their relationship to myfreecams? Why are they shilling for myfreecams? Is this software's target audience webcam porn 'models'? How am I supposed to let my kids use this software? What if they update it so that obfuscated method for blocking this ad no longer works? (what if they url changes or the ad delivery mechanism)

I blocked the ad using IE ratings system. Now I have a white box where the ad would be. This takes an already rough and imperfect UI and frankly makes it look aweful.

Whats free?

Certainly not splitcam. Splitcam requires payment in the form of:
1) desktop real estate
2) additional system resources to display ads
3) network resources to fetch ads

Splitcam is advertising supported, not free.

I really what to know if your intended audience for splitcam is so top heavy with porn producers that its worth alienating everyone else: all the families, all the grandmas, all the educators, video bloggers, in order to reach your target advertising audience?

It seems to me just a couple minutes of thinking would give you a few simple options that would be way better. If you cant be spared to exercise your gray matter allow me to expand:

get ready, this one is a shocker -

Charge money for the software! OMG I know its crazy but honestly I'd rather pay $1 to $10 for a version that doesnt have a ridiculously sized and shaped area for, get this, TEXT advertisements! I'd rather not waste the screen real estate or run extra web parsing and rendering engines for what, like 255 characters? jeez WTF.

get classy sponsors! Here is a notion, dont taint and stigmatize your brand as being primarily a tool for webcam porn. You lose immeasurable trust by using porn advertising, arguably the least trustworthy of any type of advertising. Surely its possible - other people dont have to cozy up to porn to sponsor their software, you shouldnt either!

bundle 3rd party software. You can always offer ask toolbar, mcafee, whatever. I recommend something with deep brand penetration and some history of not being complete scammers. ask, mcafee, yahoo...

survey users at install time for intended use and display relevant advertising. 'do you intend to use splitcam with adult sites? school? to communicate with family?' Show ads for porn, educational sites, or flower shops depending on their use case.
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your assertions that these ads are crafted to be 'stealthy' and only reach intended audience is just really ignorant of the issue. I dont want a huge link on the software I use that when clicked by my kid will take them to a page FULL of naked people performing whatever type of sex acts. I dont care what the text says. It could say 'whatever you do dont click here' and it wouldnt matter because if someone clicked there its porn, regardless of what type of euphemism you try to disguise it with. What if my kids want to be models? Your euphemisms actually might have the unintended consequences of getting people that are otherwise interested in the legit above board G - PG13 modelling world and business to click on these disguised ads for a webcam porn site. It sure doesnt say 'you must be of legal age to click this' and it surely should because it goes DIRECTLY to a page showing sexually suggestive imagery, no age verification, and if you click the screenshot, (how the screenshot is designed to be interacted with - clicking because it has an html anchor, again the expected behavior is that someone will 1. click ad in splitcam, 2. click screenshot, 3. see porn) and it shows porn. In fact I will be researching to determine if in fact it should have a warning according to legislation to protect children since it does knowingly act as a portal to explicit material. I will then report you to the FBI and related agencies for investigation under the laws regarding protecting children online. Just so you know...

Anyway the point is its incredibly sleazy and definitively un-classy. I should temper that opinion by informing you that I am in fact a parttime adult webcam 'model' that performs explicit sex acts for pay on adult webcam sites and privately. I dont even masquerade under the notion that its art. It is what it is.

Your software, as installed, with presented configuration options, is not suitable for:

+ children
+ grandparents
+ educators
+ conservative religious users
+ progressive liberal types that still have class (like me)


Your argument that porn is everywhere on the internet is of no consequence. It does not release splitcam developers from exercising their own professional judgement and discretion in including it in their software. Its tantamount to 'everyone else is doing it'. Do I really need to ask you if you would jump off a bridge if all your friends were doing it? Are you in fact as juvenile as your inclusion of porn ads in your software would suggest?

You'd make more money and piss off less people if you follow my advise. I dont expect you will. Lots of small business guys have small minds as well - content with just good enough, no ambition for greatness.

I resolved my issue with another splitter. I would have liked to give splitcam a chance but I dont trust it now on many levels.

I dont trust that my ability to circumvent inappropriate ads in the future wont be compromised by software updates.

I dont trust that splitcam team will exercise good judgement in selecting advertising partners

I dont trust splitcam because i dont trust myfreecam. By trusting splitcam I would be implicitly be trusting myfreecam because of splitcams explicit trust for myfreecam.
lay down with dogs and you get fleas...


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btw quit calling it free just because its not. It advertiser supported. I have to trade eyeball time, desktop real estate, computing, and network resources in exchange for using the application. Thats not free.

I would have written this more in the tone of 'hey we are a community let me partner with you to give you input to improve your product' but your response was defensive, equivocal, and frankly juvenile in intellectual merit.
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Re: SC Default Skin has Porn-Cam Ad - NOT Cool

Postby traviso » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:29 pm

Like sonic I'm just trying to help you guys out but by all means if you are intent on sabotaging yourself dont let me stop you.

just remember down the road not across the street. I think its a pretty good analogy. There isnt any reason why splitcam should have such a smaller install base than say another splitter. Clean up the interface, ditch the porn sponsors, appeal to a wider audience certainly an order of magnitude larger than porn models and studios.

Its one thing if indivduals on splitcam team dont see a problem. Certainly someone somewhere there must have some sort of business sense to know that your sole revenue stream being an adult website, when you offer a software with a much broader ranger of applications, is a Bad Idea (tm).

And fix the delivery mechanism anyway. WTF are you doing serving up html from myfreecams.com in splitcam? You have no idea what you are running on your users computers. You dont have control. Heaven forbid someone hack myfreecams.com and alter the advertisements your software displays in order to turn them into botnet zombies or worse. Jeez you guys need a couple of clues about security. tsk tsk.

Soniclight wrote:SplitCam Support,

Thank you for response. I understand and agree with some of your premises, and just to be clear, I am not a prude or some anti-sex person -- in fact, I do artistic nude work. But again, there is a difference between the porn industry and art (but that's a whole other OT subject - lol).

As to your bringing up Google and any other search engines or platforms that have unwanted -- and may I add, sometimes even scam -- clients, that kind of ad revenue is a whole different thing:

--- They are intricate algorithms with thousands if not millions of pages and hierarchies of placement due to the types of accounts and how much they cost, etc. Trying to control that is like trying to nail Jello to a wall. Scams and sleaze is going to seep through, though IMO Google et al could do a better job.

On the other hand, in-app advertising is usually only ONE and often the only sponsoring account. That is very easy to manage.

Going back to what I wrote before and your response about the adult industry, it just seems like such a poor choice to even choose something that hints at that industry as sole sponsor.

One can camouflage this with "Model" or whatever in-app, but at some point, users are going to click through if just out of curiosity and then it will become abundantly obvious: images of cute almost naked girls are a giveaway.

Now, from a strictly marketing point of view, those girls would be a prime market for you and indeed, the adult/porn industry is probably one of the most lucrative and has been ever since the Net went commercial back in the days when I first started going online (when Google was still just a nerdy new-kid-on-the-block Stanford University project).

But what is more important to SplitCam - a slightly sleazy niche income or long-range respect in the mainstream user and general multimedia industry?

You can always go and target the cam-girls and adult market separately -- without essentially polluting the image of the whole software.

SplitCam's website has a nice mainstream hip to family-friendly vibe to it. My suggestion is that you keep it that way and find an other sponsor to stay in integrity with that image and presence.
___________

I realize and own that my overall critique of all of this is rather stern and nuts-and-bolts.

But in one sense, I'm being a sort of devil's advocate as a COO or CEO considering the ramifications and impact of certain choices of revenue and how they could impact the dignity or image of a product brand.

All that said, in the end, SplitCam is your baby and it's your choice on how you choose to raise it :o)
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Re: SC Default Skin has Porn-Cam Ad - NOT Cool

Postby Fortra » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:21 pm

@ traviso,

No point stoking up with more negative whinging and whinge comments like you've done above, however, no matter how damning your comments are that's your point of view and opinion.

Don't make me laugh :roll: - when your trying to voice your own strongly lead belief in your own intelligence in your posted comment above, in that your trying to give some kinda constructive help on here. Quite the opposite in fact! In stead, it's just a load of BS from a "narrow-small-minded" individual that had nothing else better to say, than to rant more BS comment excuses.

P.S - No one held a gun to your head, to forced you to install the FREE splitcam software. No one neither told you, or instructed you, to click on a visually active worded link either. That's TOTALLY your own decision to do that period!

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